Fuaaaaack!!!! I hate pet abandoners.

Cymro · 08-10-2004, 08:49 PM

OK, for the last few weeks there's been this little cat hanging around my house, we figured it was a stray, due to it's condition, so we thought we'd give it some food. We don't know who it belongs too, but we saw no harm it feeding it. I just fed it and watered it and it was so excited at the sight of the food that it nearly ran into a wall. I already have 3 cats and 3 dogs, with 1 cat coming from an animal rescue center and another being one I found in bad condition taking shelter in our coal shed. It's really not practical that I take it in due to the amount of animals I already provide for, and that's what pisses me off - I shouldn't have to be pissed off about this shit, if you don't want a pet, DON'T FUCKING GET ONE!!!!. FUCK!. I can't stand stuff like this. I just don't understand how people can mistreat animals like that, let alone people, I mean, why the fuck nshould I have to buy a certain brand of coffee so I can be safe in the knowledge it wasn't produced using slave labour. I just hate people.

ManchVegas · 08-10-2004, 09:05 PM

Yeah, most people suck. All but two of our ferrets have been shelter adoptees, and all our cats are. We treat them like our kids (we don't have any of those yet), and wouldn't think about abandoning them. People just dump pets when it's not convenient because they don't think in the future anymore (like will I always live where I can keep my pets or will I have time for them or money for them). They just want what they want right now then dump anything, even living, feeling creatures, when it's no longer convenient. They treat animals like a purse or a car. Or worse - one of our ferrets was found by new homeowners, left behind by the old ones - its sister had already starved to death. Another was beaten up, now it walks funny (but to her credit she still is a happy little thing). People like that should be shot.

Cymro · 08-10-2004, 10:28 PM

I agree. We're talking about domesticated animals here, when you abandon them, it's just like abandoning a child - in the few short weeks the cat has been around he has already become just as attatched to me as my other cats. When you mistreat a domesticated animal, it suffers the same emotional damage as any human would in it's situation, and you'd never see a starving child on a street, at least not in a western country, so why it's considered any more acceptable to do this to pets escapes me. I mean, if I'm willing to shell out £100s to get a tumour removed from my dog, why can't these assholes shell out a few quid a week to feed a cat that they never had to get in the firstplace?

On that note, the Canary Islands are one of the worst places I've seen for this kinda crap, the place is absolutely CRAWLING with flea-bitten cats with no home. Luckily, the Canaries are full of British tourists who seem more than willing to show these cats some compassion and buy food for them.

Makes me wonder why I'm not a veggie.

Closet Racist · 08-10-2004, 11:08 PM

Some of the smartest, friendliest dogs and cats I've ever known were abandoned strays we took in.

Gitch · 08-11-2004, 12:56 AM

I agree entirely with you guys. You see I'm not a great animal lover in the sense that I don't want a pet and have never really had one- therefore I DON'T OWN ONE! How simple is that? However, should I suddenly find myself with one - then its off to Pet city with the credit card and I'll spoil it rotten! Likewise if in the future I have a partner who wants a pet or we have kids and decide to get them a dog - then I'll have all the books and the animal will be cared for to the best of my ability. I can't conceive of abandoning an animal or not caring for one properly. That's part of the reason why I have avoided owning one - I know that if I did I would change my lifestyle to accomodate it - and I don't really want to.

I'm not a veggie, and am in favour of animal testing etc where necessary - but a pet is a pet and becomes part of the family.

Bean · 08-11-2004, 01:00 PM

My cat's are like my children. I couldn't stand to see something happen to either of them. Believe it or not, I actually rank my cats as my number 2 priority in life, right after the human members of my family. Heck, they even rank one up from my career.

I never frequent pet shops, as they just contribute to the problem. I can see pet shops selling rare animals, or fish or such, but to sell dogs and cats just seems pointless. I can't imagine going to the shelter and there NOT being any dogs or cats there. That's where I've gotten my last four cats. (One ran away, one died, still have two)

Stag · 08-11-2004, 02:34 PM

Not a real cat fan, although, I would love to have a dog - a nice chocolate or yellow Lab. Great dogs

ManchVegas · 08-11-2004, 03:47 PM

We actually keep all our cats indoors - too many coyotes, fishers, stoats, and other things around that (like ALF) consider cats to be tasty treats. They seem fine with it. Though it was pretty funny when some ducks from the pond out back came up to under the sunroom of windows, the cats were flipping out!

Also, they still are good mousers, we've discovered - our cats occasionally leave a 'gift' outside the bedroom door during the night (we live in the country, there will ALWAYS be mice around - though the last one I got away from them alive I released in the wild because I couldn't bring myself to kill the little thing)...

One controversial thing I'll step into right now, and that's declawing. When adopted our first two current cats, they were declawed by the previous owner (who as it turned out died of cancer, so I can't get mad at her). Since they were declawed, the next two we chose from the shelter are also declawed. Before I had these cats, I thought declawing was cruel. Now that I've lived with these kitties, I am honestly not so sure. They clearly own our house and are very comfortable. People usually declaw cats to keep them from shredding the furniture, etc, in the house. To me, that's better than throwing them away for causing damage (not that I'd do that, all my previous cats had claws, to me you live with it but I can see folks not wanting their place shredded). I hear they have little plastic caps you can super glue to the cats claws, but I can just see what would happen if I tried to get one of my old, clawed cats to sit still for that! So now, I think that declawing isn't such a bad thing.

Cymro · 08-11-2004, 08:01 PM

Mine don't scratch the furniture, but that's after some training, plus the fact that they are free to roam inside and out of the house, which means they have plenty of places outside the house to scratch (I once catched one of them scratching a live cow of all things!). The way I see it is that if I can teach my dog not to chew my shoes, and teach a hamster to crap in a specific corner, I can teach a cat not to scratch inside the house, as well as respond to vocal commands.

ManchVegas · 08-11-2004, 08:26 PM

I tried teaching a cat where to scratch once, and failed miserably. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Certainly that's the first thing you try, it's just that some folks will then get rid of the pet if that doesn't work. Seems to me having a declawed cat with a home is better than a clawed cat in a shelter or on the streets. A Hobson's choice, perhaps...

08-10-2004, 08:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
Cymro Religious Fanatic Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Shitsville, CF63 Posts: 4,912	Fuaaaaack!!!! I hate pet abandoners. OK, for the last few weeks there's been this little cat hanging around my house, we figured it was a stray, due to it's condition, so we thought we'd give it some food. We don't know who it belongs too, but we saw no harm it feeding it. I just fed it and watered it and it was so excited at the sight of the food that it nearly ran into a wall. I already have 3 cats and 3 dogs, with 1 cat coming from an animal rescue center and another being one I found in bad condition taking shelter in our coal shed. It's really not practical that I take it in due to the amount of animals I already provide for, and that's what pisses me off - I shouldn't have to be pissed off about this shit, if you don't want a pet, DON'T FUCKING GET ONE!!!!. FUCK!. I can't stand stuff like this. I just don't understand how people can mistreat animals like that, let alone people, I mean, why the fuck nshould I have to buy a certain brand of coffee so I can be safe in the knowledge it wasn't produced using slave labour. I just hate people. __________________ "Let me tell you something about humans, nephew: They're a wonderful, friendly people - as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. "But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those friendly, intelligent, wonderful people...will become as nasty and as violent as the most blood-thirsty klingon."

08-10-2004, 09:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
ManchVegas Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 56	Yeah, most people suck. All but two of our ferrets have been shelter adoptees, and all our cats are. We treat them like our kids (we don't have any of those yet), and wouldn't think about abandoning them. People just dump pets when it's not convenient because they don't think in the future anymore (like will I always live where I can keep my pets or will I have time for them or money for them). They just want what they want right now then dump anything, even living, feeling creatures, when it's no longer convenient. They treat animals like a purse or a car. Or worse - one of our ferrets was found by new homeowners, left behind by the old ones - its sister had already starved to death. Another was beaten up, now it walks funny (but to her credit she still is a happy little thing). People like that should be shot. __________________ AKA MikeInNH or Northeastofmostofya <Insert thoughtful or humorous message here>

08-10-2004, 10:28 PM	#3 (permalink)
Cymro Religious Fanatic Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Shitsville, CF63 Posts: 4,912	I agree. We're talking about domesticated animals here, when you abandon them, it's just like abandoning a child - in the few short weeks the cat has been around he has already become just as attatched to me as my other cats. When you mistreat a domesticated animal, it suffers the same emotional damage as any human would in it's situation, and you'd never see a starving child on a street, at least not in a western country, so why it's considered any more acceptable to do this to pets escapes me. I mean, if I'm willing to shell out £100s to get a tumour removed from my dog, why can't these assholes shell out a few quid a week to feed a cat that they never had to get in the firstplace? On that note, the Canary Islands are one of the worst places I've seen for this kinda crap, the place is absolutely CRAWLING with flea-bitten cats with no home. Luckily, the Canaries are full of British tourists who seem more than willing to show these cats some compassion and buy food for them. Makes me wonder why I'm not a veggie. __________________ "Let me tell you something about humans, nephew: They're a wonderful, friendly people - as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. "But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those friendly, intelligent, wonderful people...will become as nasty and as violent as the most blood-thirsty klingon."

08-10-2004, 11:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
Closet Racist Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: With a side of fava beans and a nice chianti... Posts: 1,202	Some of the smartest, friendliest dogs and cats I've ever known were abandoned strays we took in. __________________

08-11-2004, 12:56 AM	#5 (permalink)
Gitch Consultant Fellationist Join Date: Jan 1970 Location: God's own country merry England Posts: 435	I agree entirely with you guys. You see I'm not a great animal lover in the sense that I don't want a pet and have never really had one- therefore I DON'T OWN ONE! How simple is that? However, should I suddenly find myself with one - then its off to Pet city with the credit card and I'll spoil it rotten! Likewise if in the future I have a partner who wants a pet or we have kids and decide to get them a dog - then I'll have all the books and the animal will be cared for to the best of my ability. I can't conceive of abandoning an animal or not caring for one properly. That's part of the reason why I have avoided owning one - I know that if I did I would change my lifestyle to accomodate it - and I don't really want to. I'm not a veggie, and am in favour of animal testing etc where necessary - but a pet is a pet and becomes part of the family. __________________ If masturbation is self-abuse - you are obviously doing it wrong.

08-11-2004, 01:00 PM	#6 (permalink)
Bean The Awesome One Join Date: Jan 1970 Location: Canada eh! Posts: 5,036	My cat's are like my children. I couldn't stand to see something happen to either of them. Believe it or not, I actually rank my cats as my number 2 priority in life, right after the human members of my family. Heck, they even rank one up from my career. I never frequent pet shops, as they just contribute to the problem. I can see pet shops selling rare animals, or fish or such, but to sell dogs and cats just seems pointless. I can't imagine going to the shelter and there NOT being any dogs or cats there. That's where I've gotten my last four cats. (One ran away, one died, still have two) __________________ "I haven't faced death. I've cheated death. I've tricked my way out of death and patted myself on the back for my ingenuity. I know nothing." --James T. Kirk

08-11-2004, 02:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
Stag It's me again Join Date: Jan 1970 Location: Florida Posts: 3,286	Not a real cat fan, although, I would love to have a dog - a nice chocolate or yellow Lab. Great dogs __________________ "I want to do a motorboat on Shatner's manboobs" - Sam Cogley

08-11-2004, 03:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
ManchVegas Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 56	We actually keep all our cats indoors - too many coyotes, fishers, stoats, and other things around that (like ALF) consider cats to be tasty treats. They seem fine with it. Though it was pretty funny when some ducks from the pond out back came up to under the sunroom of windows, the cats were flipping out! Also, they still are good mousers, we've discovered - our cats occasionally leave a 'gift' outside the bedroom door during the night (we live in the country, there will ALWAYS be mice around - though the last one I got away from them alive I released in the wild because I couldn't bring myself to kill the little thing)... One controversial thing I'll step into right now, and that's declawing. When adopted our first two current cats, they were declawed by the previous owner (who as it turned out died of cancer, so I can't get mad at her). Since they were declawed, the next two we chose from the shelter are also declawed. Before I had these cats, I thought declawing was cruel. Now that I've lived with these kitties, I am honestly not so sure. They clearly own our house and are very comfortable. People usually declaw cats to keep them from shredding the furniture, etc, in the house. To me, that's better than throwing them away for causing damage (not that I'd do that, all my previous cats had claws, to me you live with it but I can see folks not wanting their place shredded). I hear they have little plastic caps you can super glue to the cats claws, but I can just see what would happen if I tried to get one of my old, clawed cats to sit still for that! So now, I think that declawing isn't such a bad thing. __________________ AKA MikeInNH or Northeastofmostofya <Insert thoughtful or humorous message here>

08-11-2004, 08:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
Cymro Religious Fanatic Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Shitsville, CF63 Posts: 4,912	Mine don't scratch the furniture, but that's after some training, plus the fact that they are free to roam inside and out of the house, which means they have plenty of places outside the house to scratch (I once catched one of them scratching a live cow of all things!). The way I see it is that if I can teach my dog not to chew my shoes, and teach a hamster to crap in a specific corner, I can teach a cat not to scratch inside the house, as well as respond to vocal commands. __________________ "Let me tell you something about humans, nephew: They're a wonderful, friendly people - as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. "But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those friendly, intelligent, wonderful people...will become as nasty and as violent as the most blood-thirsty klingon."

08-11-2004, 08:26 PM	#10 (permalink)
ManchVegas Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 56	I tried teaching a cat where to scratch once, and failed miserably. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Certainly that's the first thing you try, it's just that some folks will then get rid of the pet if that doesn't work. Seems to me having a declawed cat with a home is better than a clawed cat in a shelter or on the streets. A Hobson's choice, perhaps... __________________ AKA MikeInNH or Northeastofmostofya <Insert thoughtful or humorous message here>

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