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Old 07-03-2008, 08:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Thumbs up WOOT! Way to go Sheriff Joe!

For those of you who don't know... Sheriff Joe has been sued and hounded by the press for several years now because of the way he runs his prison. Read on and you decide if he's a "bad cop" or not. Personally I think all the prisons in America should be run this way

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Oh, there's MUCH more to know about Sheriff Joe!
Maricopa County was spending approx. $18 million dollars a year on stray animals, like cats and dogs. Sheriff Joe offered to take the department over, and the County Supervisors said okay.
The animal shelters are now all staffed and operated by prisoners. They feed and care for the strays. Every animal in his care is taken out and walked twice daily. He now has prisoners who are experts in animal nutrition and behavior. They give great classes for anyone who'd like to adopt an animal. He has literally taken stray dogs off the street, given them to the care of prisoners, and had them place in dog shows.
The best part? His budget for the entire department is now under $3 million. Teresa and I adopted a Weimaraner from a Maricopa County shelter two years ago. He was neutered, and current on all shots, in great health, and even had a microchip inserted the day we got him. Cost us $78.
The prisoners get the benefit of about $0.28 an hour for working, but most would work for free, just to be out of their cells for the day. Most of his budget is for utilities, building maintenance, etc. He pays the prisoners out of the fees collected for adopted animals.
I have long wondered when the rest of the country would take a look at the way he runs the jail system, and copy some of his ideas. He has a huge farm, donated to the county years ago, where inmates can work, and they grow most of their own fresh vegetables and food, doing all the work and harvesting by hand.
He has a pretty good sized hog farm, which provides meat, and fertilizer. It fertilizes the Christmas tree nursery, where prisoners work, and you can buy a living Christmas tree for $6 - $8 for the Holidays, and plant it later. We have six trees in our yard from the Prison.
Yup, he was reelected last year with 83% of the vote.
Now he's in trouble with the ACLU again. He painted all his buses and vehicles with a mural, that has a special hotline phone number painted on it, where you can call and report suspected illegal aliens. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement wasn't doing enough in his eyes, so he had 40 deputies trained specifically for enforcing immigration laws, started up his hotline, and bought 4 new buses just for hauling folks back to the border. He's kind of a 'Git-R Dun' kind of Sheriff.
TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO
HE IS THE MARICOPA ARIZONA COUNTY SHERIFF
AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY:
Sheriff Joe Arpaio (In Arizona ) who created the ' Tent City Jail':
He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.
He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails. Took away their weights Cut off all but 'G' movies.
He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects.
Then He Started Chain Gangs For Women So He Wouldn't Get Sued For Discrimination.
He took away cable TV Until he found out there was A Federal Court Order that Required Cable TV For Jails So He Hooked Up The Cable TV Again Only Let In The Disney Channel And The Weather Channel.
When asked why the weather channel He Replied, So They Will Know How Hot It's Gonna Be While They Are Working ON My Chain Gangs.
He Cut Off Coffee Since It Has Zero Nutritional Value.
When the inmates complained, he told them, 'This Isn't The Ritz/Carlton.....If You Don't Like It, Don't Come Back.'
More On The Arizona Sheriff:
With Temperatures Being Even Hotter Than Usual In Phoenix (116 Degrees Just Set A New Record), the Associated Press Reports:
About 2,000 Inmates Living In A Barbed-Wire-Surrounded Tent Encampment At The Maricopa County Jail Have Been Given Permission To Strip Down To Their Government-Issued Pink Boxer Shorts.
On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 Degrees Inside The Week Before.
Many Were Also Swathed In Wet, Pink Towels As Sweat Collected On Their Chests And Dripped Down To Their PINK SOCKS.
'It Feels Like We Are In A Furnace,' Said James Zanzot, An Inmate Who Has Lived In The TENTS for 1 year. 'It's Inhumane.'
Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: 'It's 120 Degrees In Iraq And Our Soldiers Are Living In Tents Too, And They Have To Wear Full Battle Gear, But They Didn't Commit Any Crimes,So Shut Your Mouths!'
Way To Go, Sheriff!
Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for their parole, only to go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.
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Old 07-03-2008, 11:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Excellent move, as long as the inmates aren't giving the stray dogs hepatitis.
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Old 07-04-2008, 08:01 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I think putting prisoners to work and teaching them new skills is worthwhile, and having a passionate jail-runner certainly helps, but "deterrents" hardly ever work the way people expect them to. Just think back to when you were a kid - if your parents beat the crap out of you or humiliated you every time you did something wrong, your first thought would be to cover your tracks better the next time.
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"deterrents" hardly ever work the way people expect them to.
Exactly. The problem with deterrents in relation to crime is that the people who support this theory aren't looking at it logically.

When someone goes out and commits a crime, he doesn't sit down before and way out the pros and cons of how much trouble he's going to get in. And why not? Because the vast majority of criminals commit crimes with the assumption that they aren't going to get caught, so the severity of the potential punishment never comes into play. You could make every crime on the books, punishable by life imprisonment. The only major change it's going to make is that we'll be building alot more prisons.

All of that said, I do approve whole heartedly with what the Sheriff is doing at his prison, and I think it should be a model that all prisons follow to some degree, but make no mistake about it. It's no deterrent.
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I still have my reservations here, though. These prisoners are slave labour, and I'm not opposed to that as a rule, because it's fair as a punishment and a decent method of rehabilitation. But, there's always the danger that someone might want a little more slave labour than is currently available...
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I think prisoners should work and pay rent so that I'm not paying it for them.
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But, there's always the danger that someone might want a little more slave labour than is currently available...
Well, I think in the US right now there's very little worry about that potential labour pool drying up.

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And what happens if they refuse to pay rent? Do you evict them?
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With convicts we're talking about labour cheaper than using mexicans that can be used on the stuff you can't outsource to India.
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And what happens if they refuse to pay rent? Do you evict them?
That's what Canada is for.
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That's what Canada is for.
Or Mexico.
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