Brikar

This country twists my balls sometimes. I mean, we get George W. Recession standing up on the TV, talking all this big talk about defending freedom and democracy in the world.

Then he turns around, sees people in his own country demanding equal rights, and he goes, "Fuck you, guys." BULLSHIT. It's this simple: this country is supposed to be about freedom and equal rights for all, the pursuit of happiness... and as soon as someone demands that it actually stand up to that, it backs off and says, "Nope, sorry, my religion forbids it."

A couple decades ago, they weren't allowing interracial marriages. Does no one but me see the parallels here? Is anyone else bothered by the fact that the US President is a public BIGOT?

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Cymro

Mycountry is side-stepping the religious crap by not allowing marriage, but rather "civil partenrships", which means that gays can register their partners as next of kin in the eyes of the law, so that poseesions, money, adopted children etc. go to the right person.

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Daxie

GOOD FOR WALES! As it should be!

I also agree that it's bull that this damn government thinks they can control peoples private lives.

They want to use the excuse that gays are permiscuise(sp?) and are incapable of having a manogomuse relationship.... BULLSHIT!!!!!

Want proof? Watch the Murry show sometime... everyday that show is about taking parentarty tests because the girl doesn't know who the father of her baby is because she's too much of a slut to keep her legs closed to anything with a dick that walks by.

I've known gay couples who have been together for 20+ years and never cheated on eachother.

I've known straight couples who have been together 20+ years and never cheated on eachother as well, and even marrages that end in divorce for all kinds of reasons.

I've also know gay and hetrosexuals who sleep around with anyone and think it's ok as long as their "better half" doesn't find out.

But the thing that reall got m panies in a bunch is when Bush went off to say that the Bible says a marriage is between an man and a womman.... UMMMM... what happened to "seperation of church and state"?

Oh Yeah! "seperation of church and state" says No prayer in shcool, remove the parts of placing your hand on the Bible and saying "So help you God" from the oath before taking the stand in court and removing a display in a courthouse that had a Bible in it is "seperation of church and state", but use religion when it servers the governments purpose... what a bunch of hipporcriates!

Bottom line.... man/woman, woman/woman, man/man.... love is love and when two people decide they want to be together, what gives anyone, including the government, the right to say 'NO'?

The day when someone running for president says "I'm a pot smoking, Amerca for Americans, tell it like it is fag" is going to be the one I vote for.... until then I guess it's a choice between the lesser evil.

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Cujo

Well to add my 2 cents... Canada already legalized same sex marriages last year.

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Bean

That's because the Liberals are afraid of homosexuals up here...

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Arik

The US has recognized that the notion of 'seperate but equal' rarely means equal. This is why (I think, without digging into Google) the Mass court said civil unions weren't okay, but gay marriage is.

I think it was during the debates last night, one of the candidates was asked about gay marriage, and he responded to the notion that gays are promiscuous by saying: 'take away marriage for straight guys and see how promiscuous they are'.

My take on most of this: I'm a deer caught in the headlights. I simply do not understand some Christian hate-groups. There are ten commandments that God wanted remembered, hence he paid more to get Kinkos to etch it in stone. Yet, Christian hate-groups don't hone in on people who covet their neighbor's wives, or people who don't honor their parents (You didn't eat your carrots when you were seven like your parents told you to! I'm glad you're in Hell!). I was never picketed when I went to work on Sundays.

No, what they pick out of the Bible to hate is a story and a simple line. Nothing here says 'hate these people, picket their funerals, deny them the rights that are available to all others'. I'm even having a hard time remembering the bible story that tells of Jesus hating and shunning people who didn't live according to his laws.

Thus far, I haven't heard a credible explaination of why marriage needs "defending". Until I do, my response is going to be "hell yes".

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Stag

If two people love and care about each other, honestly who cares about whether they are gay, straight or something inbetween...honestly, sometimes it is just hard enough to find a person who cares about you and you care about.

Personally, if two people want to get married, so be it. Civil union/marriage it is all semantics.

Personally, marriage...meh...been there...done that....if I find the right person, and I mean THE right person, then I would do it again...otherwise, I am going to do my best to increase the stock price of the Trojan condom company by buying and using their products as often as possible.

That is my 2 centavos people.

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Daxie

Basicaly, the modern "marraige" is simply a peice of paper saying "OK, by the powers invested in me by __ state, you're now married". IMO

Hmmmm.... what did they do before government pencil pushers?

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Bean

I think it's more than just a piece of paper. It's an acknowledgment that you have the right just like anybody else to get married to the person you chose.

I don't think that not having that piece of paper should detract from someone's happiness, but at the same time, everybody deserves that same ackowledgment wether they're gay or straight.

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Cymro

Personally, I consider Marriage today to be a legal thing. Unless you're religious, it doesn't affect the relationship itself in any way (even if you are religious, it just means you can touch eachother afterwards), it just means that in the eyes of the law, you are next of kin.

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