Even Paramount is disavowing any knowledge...

Arik · 04-12-2005, 09:24 PM

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In order to put the record straight on the current state of affairs concerning the future of Star Trek: Enterprise, we are reproducing a recent letter sent by John Wentworth (Executive Vice President, Marketing and Media Relations, Paramount Television) to Tim Brazeal, founder and campaign leader for SaveEnterprise.com.

Dear Mr. Brazeal,

Paramount Network Television and the producers of Star Trek: Enterprise are very flattered and impressed by the fans' passionate outpouring of attention for the show and their efforts to raise funds to continue the show's production.

We share your love for the series and the entire Star Trek franchise, which the studio has fostered and developed over four decades. However, the recent decision to conclude the show's run on UPN is final.

We can not and will not be able to accept funds from viewers to produce Star Trek: Enterprise or any other series.

Paramount Network Television is extremely proud of Star Trek: Enterprise and the accomplishments of its actors and producers and the entire crew, but we must bid farewell to the show. We believe the franchise is still very vital as evidenced by the fans' demand for books, DVDs and all sorts of related merchandise.

We are grateful for the fans' rich history of unwavering enthusiasm for all things Trek, and we hope they'll join us in looking forward to the next chapter of this enduring series in the future.

Sincerely,

John Wentworth

Linked from here

It'd be funny...if it weren't so sad.

Daxie · 04-13-2005, 09:18 AM

Why would people try to send in money? Its not being yanked due to lack of funds, it's being yanked because it was a poorly scripted show and the majority of fans lost intret in it.

I blame the writers, producers and directors of the show for the downfall of Enterprise. It had great potental if the creative staf were better selected, it really could have done well.

As individuals, the staff member are actually good at what they do, the problem is that they've done so many Trek shows that they've run out of ideas and simply rehash the old scripts and just put new faces to them. What the frnchise really needs is new blood to get the Trek series back on course.

Brikar · 04-13-2005, 10:56 AM

It being a poorly scripted show and the majority of fans losing interest in it means that not enough money is coming in to justify it as an expense, so it kind of is due to lack of funds, in a certain context. The "Save Enterprise" people wanted to give them money so that justification would be meaningless, and thus, they wouldn't cancel the show. It makes an odd kind of sense, in a naive way.

Daxie · 04-17-2005, 07:20 AM

OK.... I see that, but it wouldn't have lost money if it were better scripted and kept the audience intrest.... damn that's a vicious circle.

Hollywood is a curel, cruel mistress and we're all her bitches.

Brikar · 04-17-2005, 04:59 PM

Exactly.

Cymro · 04-17-2005, 05:09 PM

except me cause it doesn't make a difference wether I watch Enterprise or not...

Brikar · 04-17-2005, 07:17 PM

It makes some difference, since Paramount obviously wants an international market, too. It's just not nearly as important as the domestic one.

Daxie · 04-17-2005, 08:25 PM

Shit.... this last ep, I think it was titled The Syndicate (I'm most likely wrong since I don't pay too much attention to the titles) was so fucking borring that I was half asleep through most of it.

Now we all know that there's been some pretty bad eps in the Trek history from TOS on... but I've never seen one so bad that it put me to sleep. WTF!!! Then the franchise stands aroud scratching their heads wondering why the series is boombing? It's not the fan base... there's plenty of die-hard fans out there that would sit an hour each week to see a trek show but even the most die-hard fan knows a pile of shit when he sees it and would rather flip the channel to watch something more intresting.

Really, what's going on at Paramount? do they just write down the first puke that spews out of their mouths and say "yeah, that'll work, it's Trek and the fans will watch it"? Hell, do they think that little of us? I can almost imagine B&B sitting around saying, "we could do a full hour of Archer taking a shit and the fans will still watch. Think of the budget, all we need is a room witha toilet and all we have to do is pay Bakula to show up... maybe a scene with Porthos bringing him a newspaper but the dog gets paid in Alpo and boom we're done. The fans will love it 'cause it's Trek and they're too stupid to want to see anything that's not Trek related."

No, REALLY! I can actually picture those two saying something like that. Then you have these yo-yo's who go down to the studio to protest and the franchise just eats that shit up! Which by the way, the protester's numbered to a whopping 100 people (per TV Guide).

No, if the franchise wants to know why ENT is doing so poorly, don't look to the fan base, look at yourselves because there's pleny of us Trekkies in the world who would love to spend an hour a week watching a great Trek show that's exciting, full of adventure, great effects and a great story behind it and in the end, still gives hope that there could be a better way for the world (and someday the universe) to co-exisit together.

You know, as I write that last line I think to myself, that's the true essence of Trek and I flash back to a TOS ep where Kirk & co. came across Abe Lincolin who made the comment to Uhura using the term "negro woman" and quickly appoigized for the comment. Uhura proudly stated "In this era we've learnd to overcome being bothered by words". I remember thinking that that was such a beautiful thing and how great the world would be if people didn't just fly off the handle and kill each other over something as petty as a word.

Now it just seems that the franchise has 'dumbed down" the series to just "lets go to this planet and either make some friends or shoot people". BAH! No wonder people are losing intrest.

*rant done*

*OK... the ep title was 'Bound' (damn I was way off on that!)*

Cymro · 04-18-2005, 12:57 AM

"lets go to this planet and either make some friends or shoot people" works for Stargate, but even when Stargate's bad it's still decent. I think a good chunk of how entertaining a show is comes from the way the dialogue's done and the characters interact. Even if Stargate has a shitty story, the character interactions usually makes it watchable, so it would have definately helped Enterprise if the dialogue didn't make the audience crtinge every two minutes. It's just bad writing and bad characterisation. They could have done without having as many regular cast members in Enterprise, and acctually learned from TOS, where there were only ever 3 regular characters and the rest were reccuring characters, and didn't need to suck up screen time and remove you from the plot.

Brikar · 04-18-2005, 01:19 AM

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Cymro stopped drinking long enough to mumble

I think a good chunk of how entertaining a show is comes from the way the dialogue's done and the characters interact. Even if Stargate has a shitty story, the character interactions usually makes it watchable,

Which is why I've had such a hard time watching it recently, since Jack's absence has thrown that dynamic all out of whack. I hope the coming cast changes next season puts things back on track with that show.

04-13-2005, 09:18 AM	#2 (permalink)
Daxie Patrons Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 1,010	Why would people try to send in money? Its not being yanked due to lack of funds, it's being yanked because it was a poorly scripted show and the majority of fans lost intret in it. I blame the writers, producers and directors of the show for the downfall of Enterprise. It had great potental if the creative staf were better selected, it really could have done well. As individuals, the staff member are actually good at what they do, the problem is that they've done so many Trek shows that they've run out of ideas and simply rehash the old scripts and just put new faces to them. What the frnchise really needs is new blood to get the Trek series back on course. __________________ >Hagar: "Before we go into battle today let me remind you what we're fighting for! We're fighting for justice! We're fighting for equality! What could be more important than that?" >>Eddie: "How about a steady paycheck, health insurance and a good retirement plan?"

04-13-2005, 10:56 AM	#3 (permalink)
Brikar The Dude Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 3,606	It being a poorly scripted show and the majority of fans losing interest in it means that not enough money is coming in to justify it as an expense, so it kind of is due to lack of funds, in a certain context. The "Save Enterprise" people wanted to give them money so that justification would be meaningless, and thus, they wouldn't cancel the show. It makes an odd kind of sense, in a naive way. __________________ "A million monkeys typing until the end of time will produce the complete works of William Shakespeare. Ten thousand monkeys typing for ten thousand years will write a Hemingway. Ten monkeys typing over Columbus Day weekend will give you a Dan Brown." http://olympusmans.blogspot.com http://benforrealz.blogspot.com

04-17-2005, 07:20 AM	#4 (permalink)
Daxie Patrons Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 1,010	OK.... I see that, but it wouldn't have lost money if it were better scripted and kept the audience intrest.... damn that's a vicious circle. Hollywood is a curel, cruel mistress and we're all her bitches. __________________ >Hagar: "Before we go into battle today let me remind you what we're fighting for! We're fighting for justice! We're fighting for equality! What could be more important than that?" >>Eddie: "How about a steady paycheck, health insurance and a good retirement plan?"

04-17-2005, 04:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
Brikar The Dude Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 3,606	Exactly. __________________ "A million monkeys typing until the end of time will produce the complete works of William Shakespeare. Ten thousand monkeys typing for ten thousand years will write a Hemingway. Ten monkeys typing over Columbus Day weekend will give you a Dan Brown." http://olympusmans.blogspot.com http://benforrealz.blogspot.com

04-17-2005, 05:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
Cymro Religious Fanatic Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Shitsville, CF63 Posts: 4,921	except me cause it doesn't make a difference wether I watch Enterprise or not... __________________ "Let me tell you something about humans, nephew: They're a wonderful, friendly people - as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. "But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those friendly, intelligent, wonderful people...will become as nasty and as violent as the most blood-thirsty klingon."

04-17-2005, 07:17 PM	#7 (permalink)
Brikar The Dude Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 3,606	It makes some difference, since Paramount obviously wants an international market, too. It's just not nearly as important as the domestic one. __________________ "A million monkeys typing until the end of time will produce the complete works of William Shakespeare. Ten thousand monkeys typing for ten thousand years will write a Hemingway. Ten monkeys typing over Columbus Day weekend will give you a Dan Brown." http://olympusmans.blogspot.com http://benforrealz.blogspot.com

04-17-2005, 08:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
Daxie Patrons Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 1,010	Shit.... this last ep, I think it was titled The Syndicate (I'm most likely wrong since I don't pay too much attention to the titles) was so fucking borring that I was half asleep through most of it. Now we all know that there's been some pretty bad eps in the Trek history from TOS on... but I've never seen one so bad that it put me to sleep. WTF!!! Then the franchise stands aroud scratching their heads wondering why the series is boombing? It's not the fan base... there's plenty of die-hard fans out there that would sit an hour each week to see a trek show but even the most die-hard fan knows a pile of shit when he sees it and would rather flip the channel to watch something more intresting. Really, what's going on at Paramount? do they just write down the first puke that spews out of their mouths and say "yeah, that'll work, it's Trek and the fans will watch it"? Hell, do they think that little of us? I can almost imagine B&B sitting around saying, "we could do a full hour of Archer taking a shit and the fans will still watch. Think of the budget, all we need is a room witha toilet and all we have to do is pay Bakula to show up... maybe a scene with Porthos bringing him a newspaper but the dog gets paid in Alpo and boom we're done. The fans will love it 'cause it's Trek and they're too stupid to want to see anything that's not Trek related." No, REALLY! I can actually picture those two saying something like that. Then you have these yo-yo's who go down to the studio to protest and the franchise just eats that shit up! Which by the way, the protester's numbered to a whopping 100 people (per TV Guide). No, if the franchise wants to know why ENT is doing so poorly, don't look to the fan base, look at yourselves because there's pleny of us Trekkies in the world who would love to spend an hour a week watching a great Trek show that's exciting, full of adventure, great effects and a great story behind it and in the end, still gives hope that there could be a better way for the world (and someday the universe) to co-exisit together. You know, as I write that last line I think to myself, that's the true essence of Trek and I flash back to a TOS ep where Kirk & co. came across Abe Lincolin who made the comment to Uhura using the term "negro woman" and quickly appoigized for the comment. Uhura proudly stated "In this era we've learnd to overcome being bothered by words". I remember thinking that that was such a beautiful thing and how great the world would be if people didn't just fly off the handle and kill each other over something as petty as a word. Now it just seems that the franchise has 'dumbed down" the series to just "lets go to this planet and either make some friends or shoot people". BAH! No wonder people are losing intrest. rant done OK... the ep title was 'Bound' (damn I was way off on that!) __________________ >Hagar: "Before we go into battle today let me remind you what we're fighting for! We're fighting for justice! We're fighting for equality! What could be more important than that?" >>Eddie: "How about a steady paycheck, health insurance and a good retirement plan?"

04-18-2005, 12:57 AM	#9 (permalink)
Cymro Religious Fanatic Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Shitsville, CF63 Posts: 4,921	"lets go to this planet and either make some friends or shoot people" works for Stargate, but even when Stargate's bad it's still decent. I think a good chunk of how entertaining a show is comes from the way the dialogue's done and the characters interact. Even if Stargate has a shitty story, the character interactions usually makes it watchable, so it would have definately helped Enterprise if the dialogue didn't make the audience crtinge every two minutes. It's just bad writing and bad characterisation. They could have done without having as many regular cast members in Enterprise, and acctually learned from TOS, where there were only ever 3 regular characters and the rest were reccuring characters, and didn't need to suck up screen time and remove you from the plot. __________________ "Let me tell you something about humans, nephew: They're a wonderful, friendly people - as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. "But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those friendly, intelligent, wonderful people...will become as nasty and as violent as the most blood-thirsty klingon."

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