'Star Trek: The Next Generation' Motion Picture Collection - Blu Ray - Page 2

Bean · 09-24-2009, 04:42 AM

Holy shit...

Brikar · 09-24-2009, 03:58 PM

"Star Trek: Insurrection" - I'm gonna admit it; this is not a terrible movie. It has problems, for sure, but the hatred leveled toward it and "Nemesis" by the fandom is largely unjustified. There are far, FAR worse feature films out there. It is a bit hit and miss - some of the jokes fall flat, the action is rarely as impressive as it could or should be, and some of the visual effects are downright bad. But it's a moderately entertaining, light-hearted adventure for the Enterprise crew.

Anyhow... the blu-ray transfer here is a bit disappointing after how good 'Generations' and 'First Contact' looked. There are a number of scenes that make the characters look rather more like wax figures (the DNR problem that the TOS films suffered from). The bad special effects look even worse here. Some of the makeup work on the Son'a is less impressive as well. There's also noticeable edge halos in a number of scenes throughout the movie.

On the upside this is absolutely the best this film has ever looked. It's the most natural and film-like in terms of its color saturation and contrast, where previous home video releases, to me, looked very bright and flat. Here, it actually LOOKS like a movie, if that makes sense. But it's not as impressive as the transfers for the previous two movies.

A bit of trivia: Michael Welch, the actor playing Data's child friend, grew up to play the young Jack O'Neill clone in SG-1's "Fragile Balance" episode.

Brikar · 09-24-2009, 05:27 PM

"Star Trek: Nemesis" - This transfer is unlike the others... It's softer, but I think underwent less work than the others in terms of getting a transfer up to spec. There's more grain, but it's a natural grain that's not distracting or problematic in any way. But it doesn't seem as sharp as the previous films look. I don't know if it was shot softer (perhaps to help its aging cast) or what. There's also a bit more stylization in different scenes than in previous films, like Shinzon's flashbacks to Remus or the away mission on Kolarus III that can make judgment a bit more difficult.

So there's less improvement from the standard DVD to this blu-ray, but its still a very good-looking transfer.

Closet Racist · 09-26-2009, 01:34 AM

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Brikar stopped drinking long enough to mumble

"Star Trek: First Contact" - The best of the TNG films gets off to a great start. The transfer is excellent - flesh tones look more natural than I've ever seen them on home video, and the lighting seems a bit warmer in this transfer. Detail is excellent, which is great because, of all the TNG films, this one has the most texture in its production design. There are lots of areas with grates, small lights, tiny details, labels, signs... the 21st century costumes (notice the texture and fuzzies on Picard's long coat when he goes down to Earth, or how Cochrane's coat is warm and has damaged patches)... the complex Borg makeup and sets... The model and CGI work in the Borg cube battle at the beginning holds up extremely well - in fact, it looks (and sounds) amazing.

It's awesome, except for how "gooey" Data's complexion is.

Brikar · 09-26-2009, 05:07 AM

He's always looked a little strange in this movie, across every format. I wonder if they did something different with his makeup, or if it was because this movie was lit so differently than the others... I dunno.

Bean · 09-26-2009, 06:18 PM

It could be that they tried something different to overcome the wrinkles etc..

Cymro · 09-27-2009, 03:03 AM

I thought the make-up looked funny in all the TNG films after Generations, but maybe that was because as Brikar said their were lit differently. Specifically, FC was very darkly lit, which means that reflectivity (which gives the impression of moisture) would have shown up more prominently.

09-24-2009, 04:42 AM	#11 (permalink)
Bean The Awesome One Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Canada eh! Posts: 5,055	Re: 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' Motion Picture Collection - Blu Ray Holy shit... __________________ "I haven't faced death. I've cheated death. I've tricked my way out of death and patted myself on the back for my ingenuity. I know nothing." --James T. Kirk

09-24-2009, 03:58 PM	#12 (permalink)
Brikar The Dude Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 3,606 View Edit History:	Re: 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' Motion Picture Collection - Blu Ray "Star Trek: Insurrection" - I'm gonna admit it; this is not a terrible movie. It has problems, for sure, but the hatred leveled toward it and "Nemesis" by the fandom is largely unjustified. There are far, FAR worse feature films out there. It is a bit hit and miss - some of the jokes fall flat, the action is rarely as impressive as it could or should be, and some of the visual effects are downright bad. But it's a moderately entertaining, light-hearted adventure for the Enterprise crew. Anyhow... the blu-ray transfer here is a bit disappointing after how good 'Generations' and 'First Contact' looked. There are a number of scenes that make the characters look rather more like wax figures (the DNR problem that the TOS films suffered from). The bad special effects look even worse here. Some of the makeup work on the Son'a is less impressive as well. There's also noticeable edge halos in a number of scenes throughout the movie. On the upside this is absolutely the best this film has ever looked. It's the most natural and film-like in terms of its color saturation and contrast, where previous home video releases, to me, looked very bright and flat. Here, it actually LOOKS like a movie, if that makes sense. But it's not as impressive as the transfers for the previous two movies. A bit of trivia: Michael Welch, the actor playing Data's child friend, grew up to play the young Jack O'Neill clone in SG-1's "Fragile Balance" episode. __________________ "A million monkeys typing until the end of time will produce the complete works of William Shakespeare. Ten thousand monkeys typing for ten thousand years will write a Hemingway. Ten monkeys typing over Columbus Day weekend will give you a Dan Brown." http://olympusmans.blogspot.com http://benforrealz.blogspot.com Last edited by Brikar; 09-24-2009 at 04:28 PM.

09-24-2009, 05:27 PM	#13 (permalink)
Brikar The Dude Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 3,606	Re: 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' Motion Picture Collection - Blu Ray "Star Trek: Nemesis" - This transfer is unlike the others... It's softer, but I think underwent less work than the others in terms of getting a transfer up to spec. There's more grain, but it's a natural grain that's not distracting or problematic in any way. But it doesn't seem as sharp as the previous films look. I don't know if it was shot softer (perhaps to help its aging cast) or what. There's also a bit more stylization in different scenes than in previous films, like Shinzon's flashbacks to Remus or the away mission on Kolarus III that can make judgment a bit more difficult. So there's less improvement from the standard DVD to this blu-ray, but its still a very good-looking transfer. __________________ "A million monkeys typing until the end of time will produce the complete works of William Shakespeare. Ten thousand monkeys typing for ten thousand years will write a Hemingway. Ten monkeys typing over Columbus Day weekend will give you a Dan Brown." http://olympusmans.blogspot.com http://benforrealz.blogspot.com

09-26-2009, 05:07 AM	#15 (permalink)
Brikar The Dude Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 3,606	Re: 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' Motion Picture Collection - Blu Ray He's always looked a little strange in this movie, across every format. I wonder if they did something different with his makeup, or if it was because this movie was lit so differently than the others... I dunno. __________________ "A million monkeys typing until the end of time will produce the complete works of William Shakespeare. Ten thousand monkeys typing for ten thousand years will write a Hemingway. Ten monkeys typing over Columbus Day weekend will give you a Dan Brown." http://olympusmans.blogspot.com http://benforrealz.blogspot.com

09-26-2009, 06:18 PM	#16 (permalink)
Bean The Awesome One Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Canada eh! Posts: 5,055	Re: 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' Motion Picture Collection - Blu Ray It could be that they tried something different to overcome the wrinkles etc.. __________________ "I haven't faced death. I've cheated death. I've tricked my way out of death and patted myself on the back for my ingenuity. I know nothing." --James T. Kirk

09-27-2009, 03:03 AM	#17 (permalink)
Cymro Religious Fanatic Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Shitsville, CF63 Posts: 4,921	Re: 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' Motion Picture Collection - Blu Ray I thought the make-up looked funny in all the TNG films after Generations, but maybe that was because as Brikar said their were lit differently. Specifically, FC was very darkly lit, which means that reflectivity (which gives the impression of moisture) would have shown up more prominently. __________________ "Let me tell you something about humans, nephew: They're a wonderful, friendly people - as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. "But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those friendly, intelligent, wonderful people...will become as nasty and as violent as the most blood-thirsty klingon."

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