Daxie

Star Trek Generations was on tv this afternoon (network). It was stiil good, but not as great considering that it was on network, but there wasn't anything else on at the time so what the hell I guess. I really did miss hearing Data saying "Oh shit!", which was the funniest part of the movie IMO.

It just made me nastalgic (yes, I know it's spelled wrong) for the old show, and after the disappontment of the newest ST movie, I would welcome another B&B Trek movie.

Don't get me wrong, I think Abrams is a good director/producer, but he really blew it on his version of Star Trek.

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Cymro

To be fair, Americans seem to struggle with pronouncing the letter "o", so it's not that bad.

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Brikar

The one thing that's always impressed me regarding 'Generation's was its use of color. Some of the scenes when the Enterprise is orbiting that observatory, with the orange light coming through the windows are just gorgeous.

I also love the changes made to the bridge for it.

Beyond that, 'Generations' is a pretty problematic film. Kirk's presence is almost entirely superfluous, which is too bad because, well, it's Kirk. Chekov and Scotty are reading dialogue obviously designed for other characters. The destruction of the Enterprise, while technically proficient, isn't set up very well at all.

Taken as individual scenes, there's a lot to like in 'Generations'... but when you put them together as a whole, it doesn't quite add up. Still, I agree, that I watch it and feel a great sense of nostalgia. It's the movie that feels the most like the TNG series, only with a much larger budget. I know people say that about the other TNG movies, but, ultimately, that's completely untrue. 'Generations', around the show's final season, using the show's production staff, is TNG in the blood.

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Cymro

I think one of the problems with the TNG films were their lack of a distinctive vibe. Harve Bennett and Nick Meyer gave the TOS movies their own look and feel, and I think the TNG films could have benefited from a similar arrangement.

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Bean

The problem with Kirk in Generations is that the entire storyline surrounding his involvement is completely shoe horned into the main story.

You could remove all scenes with Kirk, the Enterprise B etc.. and it would make no real difference. The only thing Kirk served to do was double Picards odds against stopping Soran, and you hardly needed the "Captain of Captains" to do that. In fact, it was a total misuse of the character.

I think brining Kirk back, and having him never get off of that planet was a huge mistake. Having Kirk step onto the bridge of the Big D or even witness it from afar had so much dramatic potential. It would have given him a chance to see the legacy he had been a part of creating, and that would have translated to the audience as having some sense of closure whether he died or not.

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Brikar

They could've kept the Enterprise-B prologue, and simply wound that more into the crew trying to figure out what Soran was up to - let Kirk's death have influence over the story instead of a throwaway line from Riker in Sickbay. Kirk's death ultimately doesn't mean anything to any of these characters, and Picard (and the audience) is given fleeting moments to mourn him.

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Daxie

Please don't blame all Americans for my poor spelling. I think most of you here you me well enough to know that I kant spel. Tup, since you're fairly new, you should know.... I no spell so good. LOL!

Yeah, Kirk's role in Gen. was pretty lame, and now that's it's been pointed out, it woulda been kinda neat to have Kirk beam up to 1701-D, take one look at the bridge and be completely awstruck by the new look. And just for a laugh, when Kirk is beamed to the trasporter room, he looks up and says "hey, why is the trasporter floor on the ceiling?"

Way back when Gen. was being filmed, I had read that the original script called for the entire TOS cast to have a part in the film, as a "passing of the torch" thing, but because some of the cast were having beef with eachother, B&B wasn't able to pull it off.

After the movie came out, Shatner wrote a book where the Borg came along to explore the planet, found Kirk's makeshift grave, took his body and turned him into a Borg.

I didn't read the book, just the jacket. It looked lame. My understanding is that the only reason Shatner wrote the book was because he has a superstition of playing a death scene and tried to get them to change the script, when they wouldn't, it was his way of thumbing his nose at the writters.

Without ever reading the book, the instant problem I see is that doesn't a person have to be alive to be converted to Borg? And wait a minute! Now that I stop to think about it, when the Federation clean-up crew came along, wouldn't they have exummed Kirk's body to take him back to Earth for a proper burial? I mean, this IS Capt. Kirk we're talking about here.

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Daxie

One more thing. Just before the movie came out, I was at an ST convention where Michael Dorn and Marinna Sritis were on stage together.

Sirtis let it slip that Deanna crashes the ship. Dron shot her a "blabber-mouth" look, then joked "yeah, this is why we don't let her fly the ship"

Ah, the memories.

And after all these years, I'm still pissed at Shatner. *cough asshole cough*

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>>Eddie: "How about a steady paycheck, health insurance and a good retirement plan?"

Brikar

Shatner himself admitted he wasn't interested in doing the movie unless they killed him. They originally pitched it as being just Kirk, Spock and McCoy in the opening bit, but Nimoy and Kelley passed (Nimoy also passed on directing the picture). The parts were BARELY rewritten for Scotty and Chekov.

As for the book, it actually wasn't so bad. Yes, the premise is a stretch, and the whole thing reeks of fanfiction and deifies Kirk like you wouldn't believe (as all of Shatner's novels do), but it was a fun read nonetheless.

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Daxie

Really? huh. It's been so long, I don't remember what website I got my info from, but I do remember reading that he was having a major problem with doing that scene. That's intresting to find this out after all these years.

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>Hagar: "Before we go into battle today let me remind you what we're fighting for! We're fighting for justice! We're fighting for equality! What could be more important than that?"

>>Eddie: "How about a steady paycheck, health insurance and a good retirement plan?"