Matrix Revolutions

Bean · 11-09-2003, 05:51 AM

Wow, I just watched it, and I'm left feeling rather.. hmmm.. confused.

What i mean is, I don't know what to say. I hated it and loved it at the same time. It was a good action movie, but it's made me rather angry. Not angry in the way Reloaded's "to be continued" tag at the end made me angry. No, it's an entirely different kind of angry.

Where The Matrix, and Matrix Reloaded featured some huge "question and answer" type revelations, there was no real revelations in this one. They managed to tie up al the loose ends, but at the same time, left me with a good many new questions. And not even philisophical ones.

When I watched the Matrix for the first time, I was left with all kinds of deep intriguing questions about the Matrix, the prophecy, and other things of that nature. When I watched Reloaded, again, I was left with questions about the entire philosophy of the movie. Revolutions left me with no such questions. I feel more like I felt after watching second season Enterprise episodes, without the utter disdain for the show I just watched.

It left me with more "plothole" type questions, even though there weren't any. Well, I can't really explain the manner in which this movie makes me mad, but it JUST DOES!

Would I recommend the movie to anyone? Well, if you've seen the first two, you must see this one, but more out of neccesity than interest. I mean, if I hadn't seen it, it would bother me and bother me and bother me etc... So I'm glad in that manner that I saw it, but I'm not real keen on seeing it again.

I'm just, confused. :blink:

Cymro · 11-09-2003, 06:45 PM

Shut Up!

Cujo · 11-09-2003, 09:34 PM

I agree... SHUT-UP!

Anyway, I'm going to go see it tonight. I'll post my thoughts tomorrow. Even though you just confused the hell outta me.

Arik · 11-09-2003, 09:51 PM

Here's a question. Theoretically, if someone hadn't seen ANY of the Matrix movies, now that they're all out...would you recomend watching the trilogy?

Pencil Monkey · 11-10-2003, 12:38 AM

Yes, I would recommend it!... what am I.. the only one on the planet who thought it was a fitting end to the trilogy? *sigh*.. Sirgets? what about you? you seen it yet? You're a consumer whore! You must have loved it! Hell.. you even liked Pearl Harbour

Bean · 11-10-2003, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Arik Peterson@Nov 9 2003, 07:51 PM
Here's a question. Theoretically, if someone hadn't seen ANY of the Matrix movies, now that they're all out...would you recomend watching the trilogy?

Yes. Only because the first one is an amazing movie, and one of my all time favourites, and if you see the first one, you're sort of obligated to see the other two.

Arik · 11-10-2003, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bean+Nov 9 2003, 08:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bean @ Nov 9 2003, 08:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Arik Peterson@Nov 9 2003, 07:51 PM
Here's a question. Theoretically, if someone hadn't seen ANY of the Matrix movies, now that they're all out...would you recomend watching the trilogy?

Yes. Only because the first one is an amazing movie, and one of my all time favourites, and if you see the first one, you're sort of obligated to see the other two. [/b][/quote]
Yeah, that's what I hear. The first one was amazing, but the last two are kinda lack-luster. And I'm afraid of watching the first one because I don't want to have to watch two movies that I'll probably dislike.

Cujo · 11-10-2003, 02:59 AM

OK, after just having watched it with this girl I'm sorta seeing, I gotta go with the minority on this one.

I loved it. Sorry, but I do. I don't understand what Bean's babbling about. The first Matrix rocked! Plain & simple. Reloaded was good, but because it was the middle of the overall story, I think something got left behind. Revolutions was really good. The pacing was excellent. Everything cannonballed towards the final conflict.

To me, everything made perfect sense. I really had no questions left lingering. Does it leave it open for more sequels? Of course. Whether we see them in film or game or cartoon, the possibility is there.

My biggest problem with the third movie was why Monica Belucci's breats didn't get more screen time!

Bean · 11-10-2003, 03:10 AM

Babbling???

Brikar · 11-10-2003, 05:17 AM

I liked it a lot, too.

The reason I think many people see these sequels as being lackluster is two-fold:

Firstly, and most importantly, the Wachowski's had not written the first one with this trilogy in mind. They might have wanted to do more, but they knew that they needed to tell enough in the first one so that it could stand alone if it didn't do well, but also keep it open to do more should it be successful (which, obviously, it was). So they sort of wrote themselves into a corner - the first one was so good, but it was also TOO MUCH. They answered too many of their own questions, and the main MYSTERY that drove the first one was settled: What is the Matrix? Now that we knew that, and now that we know Neo is "the One", all that's left is to go through the motions with it. So in "Reloaded/Revolutions" (I think of them as one movie, since 1. They are, and 2. Separately, they're disappointing), they had to try and come up with some twists because they'd answered those two most important questions, and all that was left was to go through the motions of telling the rest of the story.

Secondly, the first movie was really tight - even though they had 60 million dollars, they couldn't be throwing it left and right, and they didn't have the clout to make it overly long. So they were careful. But after "The Matrix" was such a huge success, Warner Bros. basically gave them a blank check on whatever they wanted to do, and I think they just went too far, to the point where many felt that "Reloaded/Revolutions" was just bloated. It was too big and long for its own good. Personally, I think a lot of cuts could have been made so that this could have been a 3- or a 3.5 hour movie like "Lord of the Rings," but I am happy with the way it is.

That's MY take on things.

11-09-2003, 05:51 AM	#1 (permalink)
Bean The Awesome One Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Canada eh! Posts: 5,055	Wow, I just watched it, and I'm left feeling rather.. hmmm.. confused. What i mean is, I don't know what to say. I hated it and loved it at the same time. It was a good action movie, but it's made me rather angry. Not angry in the way Reloaded's "to be continued" tag at the end made me angry. No, it's an entirely different kind of angry. Where The Matrix, and Matrix Reloaded featured some huge "question and answer" type revelations, there was no real revelations in this one. They managed to tie up al the loose ends, but at the same time, left me with a good many new questions. And not even philisophical ones. When I watched the Matrix for the first time, I was left with all kinds of deep intriguing questions about the Matrix, the prophecy, and other things of that nature. When I watched Reloaded, again, I was left with questions about the entire philosophy of the movie. Revolutions left me with no such questions. I feel more like I felt after watching second season Enterprise episodes, without the utter disdain for the show I just watched. It left me with more "plothole" type questions, even though there weren't any. Well, I can't really explain the manner in which this movie makes me mad, but it JUST DOES! Would I recommend the movie to anyone? Well, if you've seen the first two, you must see this one, but more out of neccesity than interest. I mean, if I hadn't seen it, it would bother me and bother me and bother me etc... So I'm glad in that manner that I saw it, but I'm not real keen on seeing it again. I'm just, confused. :blink: __________________ "I haven't faced death. I've cheated death. I've tricked my way out of death and patted myself on the back for my ingenuity. I know nothing." --James T. Kirk

11-09-2003, 06:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
Cymro Religious Fanatic Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Shitsville, CF63 Posts: 4,921	Shut Up! __________________ "Let me tell you something about humans, nephew: They're a wonderful, friendly people - as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. "But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those friendly, intelligent, wonderful people...will become as nasty and as violent as the most blood-thirsty klingon."

11-09-2003, 09:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
Cujo Lover AND a Fighter Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Canada eh! Posts: 758	I agree... SHUT-UP! Anyway, I'm going to go see it tonight. I'll post my thoughts tomorrow. Even though you just confused the hell outta me. __________________

11-09-2003, 09:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
Arik Astro-Monkey Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Here, dumbfuck! Posts: 2,304	Here's a question. Theoretically, if someone hadn't seen ANY of the Matrix movies, now that they're all out...would you recomend watching the trilogy? __________________ The writers of this post apologize for you being too stupid to understand it.

11-10-2003, 12:38 AM	#5 (permalink)
Pencil Monkey Senior Member Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: A tall tree Posts: 284	Yes, I would recommend it!... what am I.. the only one on the planet who thought it was a fitting end to the trilogy? sigh.. Sirgets? what about you? you seen it yet? You're a consumer whore! You must have loved it! Hell.. you even liked Pearl Harbour __________________ Pencil Monkey "I'm as lonely as a fat girl at a school dance"

11-10-2003, 02:59 AM	#8 (permalink)
Cujo Lover AND a Fighter Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Canada eh! Posts: 758	OK, after just having watched it with this girl I'm sorta seeing, I gotta go with the minority on this one. I loved it. Sorry, but I do. I don't understand what Bean's babbling about. The first Matrix rocked! Plain & simple. Reloaded was good, but because it was the middle of the overall story, I think something got left behind. Revolutions was really good. The pacing was excellent. Everything cannonballed towards the final conflict. To me, everything made perfect sense. I really had no questions left lingering. Does it leave it open for more sequels? Of course. Whether we see them in film or game or cartoon, the possibility is there. My biggest problem with the third movie was why Monica Belucci's breats didn't get more screen time! __________________

11-10-2003, 03:10 AM	#9 (permalink)
Bean The Awesome One Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Canada eh! Posts: 5,055	Babbling??? __________________ "I haven't faced death. I've cheated death. I've tricked my way out of death and patted myself on the back for my ingenuity. I know nothing." --James T. Kirk

11-10-2003, 05:17 AM	#10 (permalink)
Brikar The Dude Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 3,606	I liked it a lot, too. The reason I think many people see these sequels as being lackluster is two-fold: Firstly, and most importantly, the Wachowski's had not written the first one with this trilogy in mind. They might have wanted to do more, but they knew that they needed to tell enough in the first one so that it could stand alone if it didn't do well, but also keep it open to do more should it be successful (which, obviously, it was). So they sort of wrote themselves into a corner - the first one was so good, but it was also TOO MUCH. They answered too many of their own questions, and the main MYSTERY that drove the first one was settled: What is the Matrix? Now that we knew that, and now that we know Neo is "the One", all that's left is to go through the motions with it. So in "Reloaded/Revolutions" (I think of them as one movie, since 1. They are, and 2. Separately, they're disappointing), they had to try and come up with some twists because they'd answered those two most important questions, and all that was left was to go through the motions of telling the rest of the story. Secondly, the first movie was really tight - even though they had 60 million dollars, they couldn't be throwing it left and right, and they didn't have the clout to make it overly long. So they were careful. But after "The Matrix" was such a huge success, Warner Bros. basically gave them a blank check on whatever they wanted to do, and I think they just went too far, to the point where many felt that "Reloaded/Revolutions" was just bloated. It was too big and long for its own good. Personally, I think a lot of cuts could have been made so that this could have been a 3- or a 3.5 hour movie like "Lord of the Rings," but I am happy with the way it is. That's MY take on things. __________________ "A million monkeys typing until the end of time will produce the complete works of William Shakespeare. Ten thousand monkeys typing for ten thousand years will write a Hemingway. Ten monkeys typing over Columbus Day weekend will give you a Dan Brown." http://olympusmans.blogspot.com http://benforrealz.blogspot.com

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