Arik

When Archer was ripped into the future in Shockwave, his absence in the past destroyed Daniel's future.

Apparently, in Azati Prime, when Daniels ripped Archer from the past, his future remained the same.

Was this discrepency ever explained? Just curious.

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Brikar

My guess is that in "Shockwave," it was because he was taken with the intent that he would never get back. Sort of like in "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure," when they talk about going back and dropping Ted's dad's keys outside the police station for them and such.

It is an issue, but when you're talking about time travel, the rules become so maleable that none of it really makes much sense if you think too deeply into it.

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Bean

I noticed that too, but I enjoyed the episode so I didn't dwell on it. Whaddya wanna bet though that the future Enterprise we get to see in E squared is the Ent-J.

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Arik

Actually, and not to take this off into a 'bash enterprise' direction, but when Daniels and Archer were talking in Carpenter Street, Daniels told Archer that it took time for changes to the timeline to ripple into the future (hence Daniels couldn't help him hunt down the Xindi...which is also kinda wierd because Daniels knew that the Xindi were in Earth's past...).

Shockwave kinda threw that idea out the window, though, didn't it?

Since Berman and Braga (and the rest of the writing staff) knew that time travel was going to be a big part of this arc, they should have probably sat down and mapped out some basic Enterprise time travel rules.

Hindsight is 20/20.

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Bean

Yeah, but B&B were just winging it for the first two seasons, and even now, I'm sure they're not responsible for the overall arc even though it is a rather simple, if not convoluted arc.

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Brikar

I imagine that Xindi doing bio-weapon research in the 20th century is much easier to spot than minor Sphere Maker influence on the Xindi Council.

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Arik

I imagine that Xindi doing bio-weapon research in the 20th century is much easier to spot than minor Sphere Maker influence on the Xindi Council. [/b][/quote]
And the resulting attack on Earth killing over seven million people?

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Brikar

Yes. But that fits with Daniels' thing about the changes in the timeline taking a while to ripple through the future. So when the attack occurs, and they first "feel" it in the future, they go looking for other changes, and find some Xindi doing research in the 20th century.

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Arik

But then they'd also be able to tell Archer where the weapon is being built.

In fact, what possible motivation could Daniels have for keeping Archer in the dark for so long? Archer's motivation is saving Earth. Daniels motivation is in his history. Why not give Archer as big of an advantage as possible as soon as possible, by at least letting him know what's at stake and who is helping the Xindi (Daniels from a point in time after Archer's mission rippled through time could always go back in time)? Or send a timeship from the future to destroy the Sphere Builder's base for contacting the Xindi (which wouldn't mess with history, since as of Carpenter Street, history hadn't recorded Archer's going into the Expanse). Why wait until Archer's going on a suicide mission?

The thing that bugs me about this temporal cold-war is that all the sides seem to be playing to lose.

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Bean

*trying to make sense of Trek time travel... brain imploding...*

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